Rogue: Classic vs Forever
Old text is Classic 1.12; new text is the Forever beta client at the talent's top rank. Use the filter to show only what moved. Numbers can lag live tuning by a build; the news desk logs each hotfix.
Assassination
| Talent | Classic 1.12 | WoW Forever |
|---|---|---|
 Improved Gouge CHANGED3 ranks | Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 0.5 sec. | Increases the duration of your Gouge ability by 1.5 sec. |
 Remorseless Attacks CHANGED2 ranks | After killing an opponent that yields experience or honor, gives you a 20% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 sec. | After killing a non-trivial enemy, gives you a 40% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, Mutilate, or Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 sec. |
 Malice CHANGED5 ranks | Increases your critical strike chance by 1%. | Increases your critical strike chance with all attacks and Poisons by 5%. |
 Ruthlessness SAME3 ranks | Gives your finishing moves a 20% chance to add a combo point to your target. | Gives your finishing moves a 60% chance to add a Combo Point to your target. |
 Murder CHANGED2 ranks | Increases all damage caused against Humanoid, Giant, Beast and Dragonkin targets by 1%. | Increases all damage dealt by 4% against Humanoid and Giant targets. |
 Improved Slice and Dice SAME3 ranks | Increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 15%. | Increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 45%. |
 Relentless Strikes SAME1 rank | Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy. | Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per Combo Point to restore 25 Energy. |
 Improved Expose Armor CHANGED2 ranks | Increases the armor reduced by your Expose Armor ability by 25%. | Reduces the Energy cost of your Expose Armor ability by 10, and refunds 2 Combo Points when cast with 5 Combo Points. |
 Lethality CHANGED5 ranks | Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities by 6%. | Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Mutilate, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities by 20%. |
 Vile Poisons MOVED5 ranks moved from row 4, col 2 | Increases the damage dealt by your poisons by 4% and gives your poisons an additional 8% chance to resist dispel effects. | Increases the damage dealt by your poisons by 20% and gives your poisons an additional 40% chance to resist dispel effects. |
 Cold Blood CHANGED1 rank moved from row 5, col 2 | When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, or Eviscerate by 100%. | When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, Eviscerate, or Mutilate by 100%. |
 Improved Poisons CHANGED5 ranks | Increases the chance to apply poisons to your target by 2%. | Increases the chance to apply Poisons to your target by 10%, and gives Poison applications a 50% chance to not consume a charge. |
 Vigor CHANGED2 ranks moved from row 7, col 2 ranks 1 → 2 | Increases your maximum Energy by 10. | Increases your maximum Energy by 10. |
 Mutilate NEW1 rank | did not exist | Instantly attacks with both weapons for 75% weapon damage plus an additional 13 with each weapon. Damage increased by 20% against Poisoned targets. Awards 2 Combo Points. |
 Improved Kidney Shot CHANGED2 ranks ranks 3 → 2 | While affected by your Kidney Shot ability, the target receives an additional 3% damage from all sources. | Enemies Stunned by your Kidney Shot ability take 10% increased damage from your poisons and attacks. |
 Seal Fate CHANGED5 ranks moved from row 6, col 2 | Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 20% chance to add an additional combo point. | Your critical strikes from abilities that add Combo Points have a 100% chance to add an additional Combo Point. |
 Venom NEW1 rank | did not exist | Finishing move that increases the damage of your Poisons by 30% and your chance to apply Poisons by 10%. Lasts longer per combo point: 1 point : 9 sec 2 points: 12 sec 3 points: 15 sec 4 points: 18 sec 5 points: 21 sec |
Combat
| Talent | Classic 1.12 | WoW Forever |
|---|---|---|
| Improved Eviscerate CHANGED 3 ranks | Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 5%. | Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 20%. |
 Improved Sinister Strike SAME2 ranks | Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 3. | Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 5. |
 Lightning Reflexes SAME5 ranks | Increases your Dodge chance by 1%. | Increases your Dodge chance by 5%. |
| Puncturing Wounds NEW 3 ranks | did not exist | Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab by 30% and your Mutilate by 15%, and gives Backstab a 45% chance to add an additional Combo Point. |
 Deflection CHANGED3 ranks ranks 5 → 3 | Increases your Parry chance by 1%. | Increases your Parry chance by 6%. |
 Precision CHANGED3 ranks ranks 5 → 3 | Increases your chance to hit with melee weapons by 1%. | Improves your chance to hit by 3%. |
 Endurance CHANGED2 ranks | Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 45 sec. | Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 60%. |
 Riposte SAME1 rank | A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack. This attack deals 150% weapon damage and disarms the target for 6 sec. | A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack. This attack deals 150% weapon damage and disarms the target for 6 sec. |
 Improved Sprint SAME2 ranks | Gives a 50% chance to remove all movement impairing effects when you activate your Sprint ability. | Gives a 100% chance to remove all movement impairing effects when you activate your Sprint ability. |
 Improved Kick SAME2 ranks | Gives your Kick ability a 50% chance to silence the target for 2 sec. | Gives your Kick ability a 100% chance to Silence the target for 2 sec. |
 Flawless Execution NEW1 rank | did not exist | Reduces the Energy cost of your Eviscerate ability by 10. |
 Dual Wield Specialization CHANGED5 ranks | Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 10%. | Increases the damage done by your off-hand weapon by 25%. |
 Blade Flurry CHANGED1 rank | Increases your attack speed by 20%. In addition, attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 sec. | Increases your melee attack speed by 20% and your melee attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 sec. |
 Hack and Slash CHANGED5 ranks | Gives you a 1% chance to get an extra attack on the same target after dealing damage with your Sword. | Gives your melee weapon attacks a benefit depending on the weapon. Axe/Sword: Your successful melee attacks have a 5% chance to trigger an extra attack on the target. Dagger/Fist: Increases your critical strike chance by 5%. Mace: Your attacks ignore 15% of your target's armor. |
 Weapon Expertise CHANGED2 ranks | Increases your skill with Sword, Fist and Dagger weapons by 3. | Reduces the chance for your attacks to be Dodged or Parried by 2%. |
 Aggression CHANGED3 ranks | Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike and Eviscerate abilities by 2%. | Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike, Backstab, and Eviscerate abilities by 6%. |
 Adrenaline Rush SAME1 rank | Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 sec. | Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 sec. |
| Improved Backstab REMOVED 3 ranks, was row 2 | Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 10%. | gone in Forever |
| Dagger Specialization REMOVED 5 ranks, was row 4 | Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers by 1%. | gone in Forever |
| Mace Specialization REMOVED 5 ranks, was row 5 | Increases your skill with Maces by 1, and gives you a 1% chance to stun your target for 3 sec with a mace. | gone in Forever |
| Fist Weapon Specialization REMOVED 5 ranks, was row 5 | Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Fist Weapons by 1%. | gone in Forever |
Subtlety
| Talent | Classic 1.12 | WoW Forever |
|---|---|---|
| Camouflage CHANGED 5 ranks moved from row 2, col 3 | Increases your speed while stealthed by 3% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 1 sec. | Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 15% and reduces its cooldown by 6 sec. |
 Master of Deception CHANGED3 ranks ranks 5 → 3 | Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. | Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 3 levels higher. |
 Opportunity CHANGED2 ranks ranks 5 → 2 | Increases the damage dealt when striking from behind with your Backstab, Garrote, or Ambush abilities by 4%. | Increases the damage dealt by your Backstab, Garrote, Ambush, and Mutilate abilities by 10%. |
 Setup CHANGED3 ranks moved from row 4, col 1 | Gives you a 15% chance to add a combo point to your target after dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells. | Gives you a 100% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging one of their attacks or fully resisting one of their spells. |
 Elusiveness SAME2 ranks | Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 45 sec. | Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 90 sec. |
 Dirty Tricks NEW2 ranks | did not exist | Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 50%. |
 Improved Ambush MOVED3 ranks moved from row 3, col 3 | Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 15%. | Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 45%. |
 Initiative CHANGED3 ranks | Gives you a 25% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability. | Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability. |
 Ghostly Strike CHANGED1 rank | A strike that deals 125% weapon damage and increases your chance to dodge by 15% for 7 sec. Awards 1 combo point. | A strike that deals 125% (180% if a Dagger is equipped in your Main Hand) weapon damage and increases your chance to dodge by 15% for 7 sec. Awards 1 combo point. |
 Improved Distract NEW2 ranks | did not exist | Increases the radius of your Distract ability by 5 yds, and further reduces the Stealth detection of distracted enemies as though they were an additional 2 levels lower. |
 Heightened Senses CHANGED2 ranks moved from row 5, col 1 | Increases your Stealth detection and reduces the chance you are hit by spells and ranged attacks by 2%. | Increases your Stealth detection as if you were 3 levels higher and reduces your chance to be hit by spells and ranged attacks by 4%. |
 Premeditation CHANGED1 rank moved from row 7, col 2 | When used, adds 2 combo points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 10 sec or the combo points are lost. | Adds 2 Combo Points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 20 sec or the combo points are lost. |
 Serrated Blades CHANGED3 ranks | Causes your attacks to ignore 100 of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 10%. The amount of Armor reduced increases with your level. | Causes your attacks to ignore 9% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%. |
 Dirty Deeds CHANGED2 ranks moved from row 5, col 3 | Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 10. | Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20, and your Garrote ability no longer requires you to be behind your target. |
 Preparation SAME1 rank | When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your other Rogue abilities. | When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your other Rogue abilities. |
 Hemorrhage CHANGED1 rank moved from row 5, col 4 | An instant strike that damages the opponent and causes the target to hemorrhage, increasing any Physical damage dealt to the target by up to 3. Lasts 30 charges or 15 sec. Awards 1 combo point. | An instant strike that deals 100% weapon damage (145% if a Dagger is equipped) and causes the target to take 15% increased Rupture damage from the Rogue. Lasts 15 sec. Awards 1 Combo Point. |
 Quietus NEW5 ranks | did not exist | Your Sinister Strike, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities cause 10% more damage against targets below 35% health. |
 Cutthroat NEW5 ranks | did not exist | Your Backstab has a 15% chance to cause your next Ambush within 10 sec to not require Stealth. |
 Thousand Cuts NEW1 rank | did not exist | When your Rupture ability deals periodic damage, the Energy cost of your next Hemorrhage or Backstab ability within 10 sec is reduced by 3, stacking up to 5 times. |
| Sleight of Hand REMOVED 2 ranks, was row 2 | Reduces the chance you are critically hit by melee and ranged attacks by 1% and increases the threat reduction of your Feint ability by 10%. | gone in Forever |
| Improved Sap REMOVED 3 ranks, was row 4 | Gives you a 30% chance to return to stealth mode after using your Sap ability. | gone in Forever |
| Deadliness REMOVED 5 ranks, was row 6 | Increases your Attack Power by 2%. | gone in Forever |
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Classic text is the 1.12 tooltip; status flags come from the data export. Data from talentsforever.com (CC BY 4.0), read from the WoW Forever beta client, build 1.60.1.70425. Updated 2026-10-24. World of Warcraft is a trademark of Blizzard Entertainment; this is a fan site.